Wednesday, 30 November 2016

Do not join Milestone Trainings and its LGAT courses

"In my opinion Milestone Trainings is an evil 'cult-like' group"
Do not join Milestone Trainings and its LGAT courses (discovery, transformation or leadership). This company is evil!
By a concerned relative of an Milestone Trainings participant
Recently a relative of mine went through a large group awareness training program (LGAT) called "Milestone Trainings." His behavior then changed for the worse, and this prompted me to do some research on the Internet.
Milestone Trainings is an apparent spin-off from another LGAT named "Lifespring."
My relative's behavior and jargon was consistent with what I read on the Internet. I have since found many people who have gone through this course. What is frightening is the realization that LGATs like this are spreading through Asia. Milestone Trainings has recently moved their office from Menara UOA Bangsar to Jaya One.
In my opinion Milestone Trainings is an evil "cult-like" group, disguised as a self-improvement/development-training program.
Milestone Trainings operates upon the principle of developing people mentally, and thus somehow claims to promote world peace.
Frequently, their approach is subtle. People who have become involved often recruit their friends and family.
My relative, who went through a course with Milestone Trainings, subsequently was transformed. His entire personality changed. His eyes became glazed, like he was high on drugs. There is a type of euphoria participants say they feel as a result of their "enlightenment." He claimed to possess the "third eye," supposedly could astral travel and said he now had extra sensory perception. All this happened after just five days of within the Milestone Trainings program. Monks and ascetics don't make such claims, even after decades of fasting and meditation.
My relative also became disruptive and irritating, through his aggressive behavior, self-righteousness and new sense of superiority. Yet, if you asked him what was actually taught at Milestone Trainings, he would only say it was a secret. He said the only way to find out that secret, was to sign up and take the course.
At work he shocked professional colleagues with his erratic and hyperactive behavior. He complained that he could not sleep and that his mind was racing. He said that voices in his head told him that if he slept he would die.
Over the next few days, he leaked out a little bit of information about his "training."
According to my relative forms were distributed, which required that you disclose your father, husband's or wife's profession. And more disturbing, was the request that you disclose your deepest darkest secret in a journal that would be read to other participants. What was the relevance of disclosing all this information? Why did they want the professional background of a participant's immediate family members?
His family and friends rejected my relative's behavior; subsequently he attempted to return to normal. However, two weeks later, he experienced a complete breakdown. He was given unpaid medical leave by his employer to recover. But his negative behavior instead escalated. He became combative and broke things within his home.
He then became completely delusional, making fantastic claims, such as his mother had urinated on his head and his father and brother had sexually abused him. These claims were baseless fantasies.
Thanks to the Internet his family finally found out about Milestone Trainings.
Perhaps the pressure to bring in new members was too much for him. Milestone Trainings expects its graduates to bring in new people. His self-esteem may have suffered due to his failure to accomplish this.
Some of the methods generally used by LGATs like Milestone Trainings seem to have their roots in other controversial groups such as Scientology, which has been restricted in some countries.
Werner Erhard, the founder of another LGAT once called "Erhard Seminar Training (EST), now known as Landmark Education, was supposedly once associated with Scientology.
Many LGATs such as Lifespring, EST and Vistar have a history of bad press and lawsuits. Lifespring was apparently forced by litigation to close down. But now it seems they have simply spun off a new enterprise under another name in Asia.
All these LGAT programs apparently fit the same pattern. They tear people down within a controlled, confrontational seminar setting and then build them up, according to their program model. Their methods have at times been compared to a type of "brainwashing."
First, groups like Milestone Trainings gain virtually total control of a participant's environment. Then they may use various methods to induce a kind of Trance State, which may be achieved through long periods of staring into your assigned "buddy's" eyes or some other practice. Then they hammer away in confrontational exercises until you eventually "get it." Whatever that is.
L. Ron Hubbard devised similar techniques, which are now called the "technology" of Scientology. Essentially, this consisted of long training sessions, within a controlled setting, with someone "auditing" you.
In Milestone Trainings it seems that there are not adequate breaks. A meal may only be a small break. Such an intensely focused and stressful environment can be seen as a kind of breaking and/or "brainwashing" process.
After graduation participants experience the euphoria and some sort of supposed superiority over less enlightened beings that have not experienced Milestone Trainings.
Psychologists have described such LGAT or mass marathon training as outdated and potentially unsafe or dangerous.
It appears that Milestone Trainings is constructed like a pyramid. Each graduate typically brings in more unsuspecting participants to pay for courses and so on, which benefits the people who control the organization at the top. More people bringing in more people, which then forms the base or foundation of the pyramid.
Each graduate is expected to continue to participate. He or she then attends little get-togethers with other Milestone Trainings alumni, which reinforces their loyalty. They often become deeply enmeshed within this close-knit group of fellow participants. They will use the same jargon as other members and say things such as, "How far ahead I have evolved."
The euphoria they feel may become addictive like heroin. And like any addict they feel the need to keep using. This means further group involvement through the Milestone Trainings post-graduate support system. But like heroin, their high fades, despite increasing dosages. And ultimately, like any mood-altering substance, its effects can be debilitating. This seems to be the case in my relative's experience.
It appears that many Milestone Trainings participants come to believe that the organization and its participants are their only friend. And that their family and old friends mean very little, if not nothing. In the end, they may spend more and more money on continuing courses which then may preclude other considerations such as their job. They may even become a full time unpaid volunteer. Until eventually Milestone Trainings becomes the center of their universe. Does this sound like a drug addict? Someone overwhelmed by an addiction and out of control?


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  3. Jing shun truly thanks for your blog. But sadly my friend got too involved now I had no idea how to help

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    1. My group of friends also attended , after reading your blog .. is true and i found out few of them have the same symptons right now!!

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  5. Both of my brothers also having the same symptoms after joining the training . He got addicted to it .. what should I do?

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    1. Hi, what type of symptoms exactly ? I also have someone who keeps asking me to sign up after i went for the preview..

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  6. I found the training to be very insightful and worth it, i was very reluctant as well at start but at the end of the 5th day i could understand clearly what I have been not doing, choosing not to see in my life...

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  7. I found the preview is a little like asking me to sign up a holiday package in direct sales way. I am quite a person who like privacy and decided not to disclose more about my forgotten past life and progressive very well to pursue my future. I found no reason to deal with a group of miserable people, just my personal feeling (no offense).. thus, I refuse to proceed after the preview :-)

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  8. I hope more people see this. My friend went through the same Milestone training and ended up like this. He had to be sent to the psychiatric ward for treatment because he became delusional and self harming.

    This sort of training is designed to mentally break you down and rebuild/brainwash you. They will learn of your weaknesses (by character assessments) and pull all sorts of manipulation tactics designed to submit to them.

    Once done, they will milk you of additional training courses and forcing you to get more participants (sometimes through coercion)

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  9. My sis is the one went to the course and so called graduated. She is now the free volunteer for the center. Spend most of the time with the milestone friends for gathering. I want to witness for her changed since she had spend so much But so sorry to said they she didnT changed at all. Whatever she did she said must think Positive, relationship,money.. She really think that positive thinking can changed her life. She is now on tribute more time with the milestone friends, dress up, spend more money on the appearance to mix around. Will in fact she is nit financial stable person. She didn't give money to parent but just sweet talk to parent saying g how much she live her and please forgive her of her wrong doing..but this is all the course teach to be more self esteem. How bout your own parent . Sibling? She didn't wN a to let the family know her life style. She even block all of us.? This is not the so call good transformation to be witness. Think twice. Make yourself successful or milestone successful?

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  10. The entire program run in a way to make people tired and they don't allow participant to take coffee, tea, carbonated drinks, chocolate and smoke. By doing these, it will definitely reduce the consciousness of the participant and make the brainwash process easier.

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  11. http://skepdic.com/lgsap.html

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  12. The trainers are motivators. They must use their powerful communication skills to persuade others to believe that (a) they (the trainers) know something valuable about fulfilling one's potential; (b) the valuable knowledge can be transmitted to the participant in a short time; (c) the trainee can expect to reap tangible, even if subjective, benefits in a short time (such as improved relationships with others or feeling better about oneself); and (d) the trainee has only experienced a small taste of the wonderful pleasure and fulfillment that awaits those who sign up for advanced training. In short, the trainers are not just teachers; they are sellers. Their main job is to motivate participants to buy more services, i.e., sign up for more courses. The fact that trainers are unlikely to do any follow-up on their trainees, except to try to persuade them to take more courses, indicates that their main interest is not in helping people lead more fulfilling lives. The trainers have a sales job to do. They are paid commissions for the number of people they recruit and train, not for the number of people they truly help. It is not in their interest to do follow-up studies on their trainees. It is in their interest to do follow-up recruiting calls.

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  13. A short amount of reflection should make it apparent that the gurus of personal development training are like those infomercial stars who promise to share with you their secrets on how to make millions of dollars by taking out classified ads or by buying repossessed properties. The real money is not in taking out classified ads or buying repossessions; otherwise, that is what the infomercial star would be doing instead of making infomercials. The real money is in selling the idea to others. If the trainers who work for Tony Robbins or Landmark Forum could realize their true potential in a meaningful, lucrative way, would they take a sales commission job? Would they work for a guru for a relatively small sum of money, while investing a rather extensive amount of time in the hopes of some sort of breakthrough? No. If they want to reach their own true potential they must break away and start their own personal training program. Which is exactly what many of them do.

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  14. Nevertheless, despite the lack of proof that these programs work the way their advocates claim, and despite the fact that many trainers are overly zealous in their recruitment of participants in seminars and advanced seminars, many participants feel they benefit greatly from such programs. However, research has shown that the feelings of having benefited greatly from participation in an LGAT do not correspond to beneficial changes in behavior (Michael Langone, "Large Group Awareness Training Programs," Cult Observer, v. 15, n. 1, 1998). Also, many of those who feel they have benefited do not understand that others may not feel they benefit at all from such programs. To their healthy friends and family members, the zealot may appear to have been brainwashed. Their enthusiasm seems unnatural and disproportionate. If they were unbalanced before taking the program, they may appear to have gone beyond "breakthrough" into "breakdown."

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  15. You say that in the training you learn how to astro travel? Wah piang! I went for the training but they never teach me how to lor! Feel so cheated sial.

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  16. Oh wow... Astral projection AND third eye! I never learnt that! I only learnt how to appreciate my loved ones, to see clearer my decisions in life, how to stop thinking like a victim and take responsibilities for my choices... But no astral projection OR third eye OR ESP! I feel short changed!! Thanks for this blog, let more people know the full extent of what you can get! I want to get a refund!

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  17. I went for the training and everything here is very over exaggerated. Those are people striving to make a difference in the world and not be shitty people who are observers, takers and judgers like the most of y'all on here are. These are a group of people so invested in getting you to achieve your highest potential and also assist you to give back to society by enrolling others to make a difference. To be honest y'all love drama and "added affects" so the astral projection and sensory claims are just those people putting away any actual addiction like smoking and drinking to actually go back to what humans were in early days to be completely present in the moment and feel everything around you. When y'all get your head out of your asses maybe then you'll realize you over dramatize everything especially a simple training built for the betterment of people.

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    1. I totally agree with you annabell...you people out there just love blowing things out of perception, astro project and third eye? Common...get a life ppl. Say the thing you gotta say and not what I love it to be.

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  18. Let’s put it this way, some people need this sort of training to guide them to a more meaningful life, in the meantime, those who have attended the training must also respect the fact that there are more people who don’t need it. Sadly, all those Legacy folks feel that they have more rights to talk about dealing with life and use all the words or jargons they learned from the training as if others who havent attended have less rights (or no rights) to discuss life issues with them. That, is not right.

    I can understand the blogger’s feeling it like a cult because certain things that the Legacy do together are really suggesting that way. They all seem to be thinking the same, tslking the same way, lioking the same.

    Training like this can be useful to some but can be dangerous to others. Those with less wisdom will lise themselves, they will keep doing things that they feel is transformation to a point that they look fake. All for the same reason, as much as they want to transform themselves, they need someone to recognize their change, the more they try, the more they lose themselves.

    Simply put, one person’s meat is another person’s poison.

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  21. My wife also attend the training after been persuaded by her friend to attend the course. After she coming back, i ask her what are you learning & what the course talking about too? the question that she given to me was I CAN'T TOLD YOU but YOU CAN ASK YOUR FRIEND THAT ATTEND THE COURSE BEFORE THIS!!! them i replied to her, it was very funny & recycle bin because you are my wife but you can't told me, but you want me to ask my friend that attend the course about it??? and today i ask her when you attend the course, it will ask everyone of you to keep it secret & confidential right? them she replied "YES". Then i knew already the reason every participants was so good to keep it secret after they attend it but they always ask their friends or relatives to attend the course even thought they will not let you know what the course talking about....

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  22. Is there any organization or related department out there can give a help? feel something like MBI , JJPTR, but this is more wordt, somehow like mentally kidnapped. I thk someone should take action on it.

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    For those understand Chinese
    The scene just like what i seen in those who participate on it.

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  24. report to the police. These type of training actually damages some people mentally through systematic brainwash and Milestone Trainings wont claim responsibility for it.

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  25. I believe some even worse whereby they got home divorce the other half or even cheated their partners for those milestone participants. This things have to come to and end.

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  26. Seriously, victim of Milestone?
    This programme is not for those who are having mental illness beforehand. the company wrote them clearly black and white.

    One need to declare their mental state if so. The company will reject such individual to join.

    1. I'm Milestone participant, completed Discovery and Transformation
    2. It really is a self improvement programme. The way if conduct may be abit brainless, but the realization was so powerful.
    3. I did have trouble sleeping after the course as I discovered so many life lessons and mistakes i've done throughout the years. I was overwhelmed.
    4. Yes i admitted that I have some sense of superiority and self righteousness after the course and attacked others verbally. I made some trouble. However I discovered that I understood the lesson in an inapprorpriate way and did not apply the lesson wholly.
    4. Graduates have the right to not enrol people. However they can join Legacy as a team to enrol people and further improve self.
    5. Family and friends means NOTHING? I value my family even more after this training. I value Milestone friends too. They are very straightforward and authentic to let me discover my weakness. They are very loving and kind too. They make sure I am in better state (learned something) even though i didn't join at the end.

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  27. It's indeed a brainwash course that so called self improvement course...One of my friend attended and his attitude change to the worse..Approached and insist our group of frens to join the course. And when we rejected he got mad and left the whatsaapp group...lol

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  28. Guys i thk milestone training' recpective ppl was realise this website i afraid they will delete the account must protect this account and share to others!!!!

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  29. Milestone is now reskinned as Heart Knocks Global. Where they got the Global idk but 100% bullshit course.

    they're good at making you tired that's all they're good for. if anyone continue to be enslaved by this cult is really really stupid. if your friend or family recommend you to join, cut them out.

    stay safe and everyone should make a police report

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